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Joe (guest) - 13. Apr, 01:45

Hey, I got this same email, and while certainly pro concealed carry (and a police officer) , I felt this email was not true and googled some text from it to see if anyone refuted it. Interestingly, this is the only site I could find in a cursory check of the first page of results that calls it ridiculous.

I agree that making the correlations it does is absurd, and why I wanted to research it so I could reply to my mother (who forwarded it to me). However, you rebutted with this very same flaw in correlation:

You said: "If gun control leads to higher crime, why does the country with the most liberal gun laws in the industrialized world have the highest rates of just about every kind of crime and the world's largest prison population to boot?"

I appreciate that you said "Maybe, maybe not" in reference to if guns were the cause, but indeed, the higher crime rates correlate with stricter gun gun laws when you break regions down. In a short example... Wash. D.C and Chicago have the strictest gun control laws... and the highest crime rates. By region, more relaxed gun laws have lower crime rates.

What you did was take the entire U.S. general position on gun laws which is 'liberal', and applied that label of 'liberal' to the ALL regions of United States, including the strict regions such as D.C. and Chicago.

So, even though the inverse correlation can be made, I won't use said correlation to imply as you have that high gun control laws cause higher crime rates. Here's another correlation that could be made that is flawed: Areas more entrenched in Christianity have less crime then more secular cities. Therefore, Christianity lowers crime.

mhatlie - 23. Apr, 18:01

Right, but...

To do it right, one would need to compare regions that are comparable along other measures - socio-economic, ethnic, etc. - and see if different gun laws make a difference. Comparing Washington, D.C. or Chicago to Coffeeville, Kansas, or Jamestown, North Dakota will of course yield a correlation between strict gun laws and high crime. But that has at least as much to do with the fact that urban areas almost always have higher crime rights. I suspect that it has very little to do with gun laws in either case (Coffeeville or Chicago). Indeed, places with high crime might react by imposing stricter gun laws (either to prevent gun use or to give the police another thing they can bust crooks for). In that case, cause and effect would be the opposite of what the pro-gun side would like to imply.

But again, I have the impression from the data I have seen that there is little correlation - other than when we compare whole nation states.
Racy (guest) - 1. May, 18:46

I agree with the e-mail

I don't think that it is the governments right under our constitution to take away our right to own firearms...PERIOD! I have also looked up the facts of the e-mail and you can call it coincidental if you want to but the fact remained that all of those things happened! Probably they would have still happened without the gun control laws, but I believe on a much smaller scale when people can defend themselves. It is a slippery slope then government can decide which parts of our constitution they would like to uphold and which they would like to ignore.

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